diff --git a/components/sceneutil/util.cpp b/components/sceneutil/util.cpp
index a23f3f1090..2c0d8efa0c 100644
--- a/components/sceneutil/util.cpp
+++ b/components/sceneutil/util.cpp
@@ -112,6 +112,8 @@ void GlowUpdater::apply(osg::StateSet *stateset, osg::NodeVisitor *nv)
             removeTexture(stateset);
             this->reset();
             mDone = true;
+            // normally done in StateSetUpdater::operator(), but needs doing here so the shader visitor sees the right StateSet
+            mNode->setStateSet(stateset);
             mResourceSystem->getSceneManager()->recreateShaders(mNode);
         }
         if (mOriginalDuration < 0) // if this glowupdater was originally a permanent glow
diff --git a/components/shader/shadervisitor.cpp b/components/shader/shadervisitor.cpp
index 10e9e606e5..e908b6aaa8 100644
--- a/components/shader/shadervisitor.cpp
+++ b/components/shader/shadervisitor.cpp
@@ -294,7 +294,10 @@ namespace Shader
     void ShaderVisitor::createProgram(const ShaderRequirements &reqs)
     {
         if (!reqs.mShaderRequired && !mForceShaders)
+        {
+            ensureFFP(*reqs.mNode);
             return;
+        }
 
         osg::Node& node = *reqs.mNode;
         osg::StateSet* writableStateSet = nullptr;
@@ -333,6 +336,19 @@ namespace Shader
         }
     }
 
+    void ShaderVisitor::ensureFFP(osg::Node& node)
+    {
+        if (!node.getStateSet() || !node.getStateSet()->getAttribute(osg::StateAttribute::PROGRAM))
+            return;
+        osg::StateSet* writableStateSet = nullptr;
+        if (mAllowedToModifyStateSets)
+            writableStateSet = node.getStateSet();
+        else
+            writableStateSet = getWritableStateSet(node);
+
+        writableStateSet->removeAttribute(osg::StateAttribute::PROGRAM);
+    }
+
     bool ShaderVisitor::adjustGeometry(osg::Geometry& sourceGeometry, const ShaderRequirements& reqs)
     {
         bool useShader = reqs.mShaderRequired || mForceShaders;
@@ -380,6 +396,8 @@ namespace Shader
 
             createProgram(reqs);
         }
+        else
+            ensureFFP(geometry);
 
         if (needPop)
             popRequirements();
@@ -414,6 +432,8 @@ namespace Shader
                     morph->setSourceGeometry(sourceGeometry);
             }
         }
+        else
+            ensureFFP(drawable);
 
         if (needPop)
             popRequirements();
diff --git a/components/shader/shadervisitor.hpp b/components/shader/shadervisitor.hpp
index 6b2353b662..6031dbfe6c 100644
--- a/components/shader/shadervisitor.hpp
+++ b/components/shader/shadervisitor.hpp
@@ -94,6 +94,7 @@ namespace Shader
         std::string mDefaultFsTemplate;
 
         void createProgram(const ShaderRequirements& reqs);
+        void ensureFFP(osg::Node& node);
         bool adjustGeometry(osg::Geometry& sourceGeometry, const ShaderRequirements& reqs);
     };